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Poster: skiebus Date: Sep 25, 2009 10:25pm
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Poster: nagdot Date: May 15, 2009 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

i wouldnt pay 50 bux each to see paf or ratdog, let alone the dead make money off jerry songs. even with jerry, they were still playin way to many covers. i wouldnt go for free like i said b4. i havent listened to any of the shows. no jerry no nuttin for me

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Poster: BobsShortShorts Date: May 15, 2009 4:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

It is what it is.....I have enjoyed every incarnation of the boys....Rat,Phill etc..not all of it mine you,but lots of it....it was the same for me with the GD from the Start till the end....I loved some,disliked some,ignored some.....but there where moments for me during EVERY lineup that I enjoyed and helped me get through a day....this morning I enjoyed a great Rat show from 2004 and 4-28-2009 from the current lineup.....they both had some snooze,BUT they both had moments that had me grinning and grooving....

Thanks for the music Boys...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 15, 2009 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

to each their own but to me I think it would be ridiculous to just let the songs die. They have a total right to sing them imo. What's Hunter think? Does never want his best songs sung in a real life sharing moment ( not a recording ) ever again?

Besides, even though I'm not going to run out and listen to this on the stereo over the GRATEFUL Dead, I think they are definitely putting on a worthy effort. This isn't One Dog Night ( one original member and a cousin and/or nephew etc )or Mickey Dolenz sings the Monkey's coming to a State Fair near you

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Poster: skiebus Date: May 15, 2009 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

I really do agree with you they should be played- I think it's just someone else singing Jerry's stuff that gets to me as you call yourself The Dead. It started out great with the Jackstraw, sounded excellent... And I will say New Potato Caboose, Born Cross- Eyed and Drums were great to see. I just kept getting bombarded with the other stuff.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 17, 2009 4:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

Look kid (meant affectionately...not TOO affectionately though), I hear you. However, as one that has not been to a show, and was a naysayer from the word go, I would only note, have you heard Hunter do all the tunes? As much as I love the guy, he cannot sing...but, hey--if he can't do his own songs...right?

So, though I understand the pain associated with hearing someone else do something that "we" associate with Jerry, I would not for a minute think that we shouldn't cut them some slack at some point.

To hear Phil sing the interlude of StSt was a shock...but, the more I listened, the more I realized there isn't anyone else alive I would rather give it a try.

Anyway, no bad blood or any such thing...just saying.

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Poster: skiebus Date: May 17, 2009 10:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

None taken. I did see Hunter in '86 with Go Ahead (Brent and Billy's side band while Jerry was recovering) and I really liked him. I was pretty melty and 16 years old, though, so it may not have been as great as I thought it was and remember it.
Back to the case in question- Phil was his brother and you would never hear me complain about him singing anything. That was not what I meant at all.
I just don't like someone else coming in as Jerry's replacement (and yes, he is, whether anyone here will admit it or not) and singing all of his songs with NOTHING being sacred, and them saying that the music is still evolving, as if Jerry was just a blip on a radar of the past. I really don't believe they feel that way, but I can't help but see it coming across like that.
Also, this is my last post on this subject, on this page. You're welcome!
Anyway, to everyone here- we are all drawn to something very similar- that is why we are on this same, minute page on the internet that only about 25 people know exists, and actually care enough to say something about it. In that, we are more alike than you may realize.
Peace out and I wish you all the best. RIP, Jerry, and best of luck and health to The Boys and their new generation, and also to those transferring to the new bus.
Although, I know I won't be able to resist seeing them again at some point...

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 18, 2009 6:39am
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I hear that too...there is an UNDERLYING problem, somehow, with "going on" without Jerry...

I think BD and a few others sense this, and it is always in the back of my mind too...I respect the remaining members for wanting to go on, but you have touched on this Elephant in the Room.

I agree it doesn't feel right...

And, hey! Stick around...

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Poster: skiebus Date: May 18, 2009 10:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

I couldn't resist. Are you all frickin kidding me!?
http://tinyurl.com/punahv
stick around until 4:56 and see if I'm nuts.

And how about a little a this?
http://tinyurl.com/r23f5k

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 15, 2009 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

I chose not to go, so I can't really criticize. That said, good thing they didn't really play any tunes worth hearing after Morning Dew [why, oh why, no setlists like this during the last, oh, 18 years of Jer's time on stage?]:

Set 1)
Jack Straw
U.S. Blues
Mason's Children
Ship Of Fools
Friend Of The Devil
Standing On The Moon
Lady With A Fan
Terrapin Station
Standing On The Moon

(Set 2)
Estimated Prophet
New Potato Caboose
Born Cross-Eyed
Dear Mr. Fantasy
Drums
Space
Morning Dew
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider

(Encore)
Scarlet Begonias
Fire On The Mountain
Deal

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Poster: liranfa Date: May 15, 2009 12:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

In a word "heroin". Jerry's everyday usage began to surface during the '77 tour and that's why things got stagnant live after that. Jerry never wanted to rehearse and consequently, they played most of the same songs over and over for 18 years. I know Phil wanted to shake things up many times but he wasn't the one singing the songs.

I know there's been a lot of criticism from the old timers about this tour but the boys are in their 60's now and may never tour together again. Furthermore, there's tons of young kids (under 30) that never had the pleasure of seeing the band perform at its peak. This is their opportunity for a glimpse of what it used to be like.

I know a lot of people like DSO and I get why they go. I'm one that can take it or leave it but the last time I went, I talked to many "kids" that never got the opportunity to follow the GD and this was as good as it gets. It really turned my opinion around that even though it might be re-hashing old stuff, there's still people out there getting it for the first time and who am I to judge that. I was just lucky enough to be born at a time when I could see Jerry play a lot.

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Poster: skiebus Date: May 15, 2009 4:19pm
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I probably would have been taken out on a gurney if I stayed for the rest- yikes!

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 17, 2009 4:22pm
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But, I get to critize Battier...too bad. A real gentleman.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 17, 2009 5:18pm
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Everything is being set for Kobe v King James. It has been decreed.

Shane made a valiant effort and you have to give the Rockets some credit for what they did w/o Yao and T-Mac (although they seemed to do better w/ T-Mac; he may not wear that jersey next year).

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 15, 2009 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

yeah, that's kind of my point - song selection and length of shows prove a worthy effort is being made even if they aren't doing it for everybody musically. Put it this way - here's a fairly even comparison - saw Hot Tuna last weekend. Now, they are always competent and well played but their setlists are more and more predictable, Jorma's letting the mandolin guy take most of the solo's, Jack is not as out front as he used to be, and gone are the more obscure and/or twisted type of songs with only traditional pretty much being played. Don't get me wrong, they were well played as always but they weren't going out on any limbs. The Dead - same age pretty much, got their start in the same underground scene. I understand that Tuna has always been primarily an acoustic blues outfit not exploratory like the GD, but I'm drawing the comparison based on age and one band is drawing deep within it's catelog and the other just settled into a comfortable nitch.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 15, 2009 11:07am
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Maybe Jack stretches out in this outfit, which I do want to see:

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/17864/The-Legend-of-Moonalice-Rises

Mentions debut release being produced by T-Bone Burnett. Too bad that guy hasn't done any interesting work over the years....

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Poster: gemini dreamer Date: May 17, 2009 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

to say that it hurt you to see someone else sing jerry tunes is ridiculas. the fact that the music itself continues to live through this band or many many others is what makes it all so special. Have you not seen DSO or Splinterd Sunlight, workingmans Ed. Jerry has and always will hold a special place in our hearts but it is more about the music and relationships that we have established around and through that music that should be held so close.

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Poster: Richtitoducatssaiditbest Date: May 15, 2009 4:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

That's ridiculous.
I question whether you were really there.
And, if it really hurt you that much you need help,
or a life or both.

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Poster: skiebus Date: Mar 26, 2011 1:12pm
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Poster: tank_tuba Date: May 15, 2009 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

"I walked out during Morning Dew, to get back to my life and put a chapter of the past to rest. RIP Jerry."

skiebus, I saw them in Greensboro and I only paid $60.00 for my tickets and my seats were just fine. You didn't have to pay $100.00 a ticket.
I have a couple of questions for you though.
Shouldn't that chapter of your "Grateful Dead" life been put to rest when Jerry died? I mean really, isn't that when it ended?
Do you really think they should've just sung Bob and Phil songs?
RIP Jerry!!! WTF!!! Jerry died in 1995. It's 2009.

If you really went to see something that you thought would even remotely resemble something from 15 to 20 YEARS AGO, you deserve to be disappointed.

I don't mean to be harsh, but this mellodrama just comes off being ridiculous.

Peace.
aj

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Poster: skiebus Date: Mar 26, 2011 1:13pm
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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: May 15, 2009 4:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

I have no problem with Warren singing 'Jerry's songs', in fact he should sing more instead of Phil or Bobby. God help us all if Mickey sings.
Why does everyone continue to compare this ensemble to the Grateful Dead? It's another band, perhaps one of the best Grateful Dead cover band ever.I am glad that Warren chooses to play his own style rather than ape Jerry.Enjoy it for what it is.This group of musicians sound damn fine for the amount of time they've clocked together.Sure Jerry's gone and we all miss him, but this is now.
Sorry, the bong hit is wearing down and I'm losing my thunder, just appreciate this for what it is.There is no more Grateful Dead :(.I'll be somewhere in '68 - '74 for a long time to come.Forgive this tirade.I'm through--for now.Back to the bourbon!

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: May 16, 2009 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Just saw The Dead at Shoreline.

My tickets were face value. I bought them the day they went on sale. And I have actually seen the GRATEFUL DEAD, but I had no expectations that I was going to see the GRATEFUL DEAD.

Note the name isn't above_average_speller_joe, it's average_joe and here's what my post was about:

(taken directly from your first post)

"It hurt my soul to watch and listen to that" = DRAMA

"it tarnished many good memories" = allowing something that happened today to affect something that happened 14 to 20 years ago = DRAMA

"Had to leave during Morning Dew." = DRAMA (get me a Kleenex, I'm tearing up.)

"I'm sorry, Jerry." Apologizing to a guy who died 14 years ago = RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF DRAMA

Dude, Jerry doesn't care. He doesn't.

Peace.
aj



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Poster: banditos33 Date: Sep 26, 2009 6:16am
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I am glad to see someone else on here has their head screwed on right.

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Poster: skiebus Date: Mar 26, 2011 1:13pm
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Poster: tank_tuba Date: May 17, 2009 3:00pm
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Dude, now you're picturing me.

You are just weird.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 15, 2009 8:55am
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Not to be an ass and I and respect your opinion but in the year 2009 I think it's common knowledge that Garcia tunes are apart of the setlist. Just curious why you would even go in the first place.

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Poster: skiebus Date: Mar 26, 2011 1:12pm
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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 15, 2009 4:46pm
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Yeah, hearing Phil take the leads on morning dew and bird song the first time The dead came back was "interesting" to say the least

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Poster: Pork Soda Date: May 15, 2009 6:40am
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It was questionable after October of '74.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: May 15, 2009 6:32am
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I feel your pain bro.....well put!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 26, 2011 2:18pm
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skibus eliminating history...deadbeat mom

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: May 15, 2009 10:28pm
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See, this is why the LA show was such a huge success....Because the Grateful Dead abandoned Viola Lee in 1970, Cosmic Charlie, in 76, and Caution for the most part in 1970 (save for a performance or two in 79 or 81), the "DEAD" sounded incredible. They have resurrected these songs and turned them into their own. No, Black Peter was not as good without Jerry.....No, Wharf Rat was not as good without Jerry (it WAS pretty damn good though)...No, Shakedown was not as good without Jerry...and I am glad that they did not play Stella or Dew.....The point being is that the "DEAD" are better served sticking to the material that was not too Jerry heavy (Ballads). I mean, there is no possible way that you are going to knock anyones socks off if you play Dew each night. It's cool to play a couple of Jerry tunes, but our expectations need to be in check, and the "DEAD" should realize that they need to stay with the stuff that got left behind long ago. I'd love to hear a good ol fashioned Bobby McGee!! Also, Warren is bettor suited to playing with the "primal" tunes....that's his bread and butter.

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Poster: Estimated Pete Date: May 15, 2009 10:50pm
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They played Me & Bobby McGee in Buffalo (4/21).

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: May 15, 2009 11:09pm
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Cool !!! I wasn't sure if they busted it out yet. Thanx

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Poster: skiebus Date: May 17, 2009 11:49am
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I completely agree with you- I really liked the abandoned stuff and playing some songs that Jerry sang is unavoidable. But to have Warren singing Standing on the Moon and songs of the like (100% Jerry) is in very bad taste to me. I kind of don't like changing the beat around on some of the familiar songs very much either. It pulled a lot of the power out of them.
Anyway, these are mine- see clips 2,3,4 for New Potato and Born Cross-Eyed. Quality is decent, press the HQ button, though. I'll probably fix the bars at some point.
http://www.youtube.com/user/gd95060
Enjoy! I still really do love these guys for what they've done and I still listen to them more than anything else, although it is from a past incarnation.

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Poster: BillyBuck Date: May 15, 2009 1:31am
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That bad huh?

Earlier this year I made plans to go to the Shoreline show, but canceled after seeing the clip of the fellers playing at the Obama inaugural. That was some pretty piss-poor pickin.

But then, a couple of days ago I heard part of 5/2/09 on Nugs radio and immediately started kicking myself. It sounded like things had started to gel in the last couple of weeks. Of course, most of the vocals are still a little hair-raising, but hey...

I thought Warren was sounding pretty nice, and I especially like the fact that Mickey seems to be in an auxiliary percussion role rather than co-timekeeper.

What was the main issue at Shoreline? Vocals?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: May 15, 2009 6:26am
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From what I've heard, the vast majority of this tour has been better than the inaugural train wreck. I saw the DC show, and it wasn't too bad given that it was the second stop on the tour. But I can also understand people being disappointed. The vocals were pretty uneven. IMO, Bob and Phil should stick mainly to singing their own tunes. Haynes is not Garcia, and isn't really trying to be. I guess that's both good and bad.

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Poster: rastamon Date: May 16, 2009 6:10am
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in spite of Warrens/Phils vocals(haha), The grate guitar playing made up for anything lacking in that department. We got there around 4pm and jumped in line(only 20-30people)to the right of the box office. A VERY mellow scene, though I missed the deadlot fun to insure a good lawn area to sit. Rented a lowboy chair ($5, then a buck back upon returning it).
We were right behind the 101 wheelchair section, looking at all the interesting people goin to & fro in the aisle below.
There was a guy standing along the cable fence dressed in a white cooks uniform with the cooks hat and all, he played some little hand held high-hats(?)very well, i might add. During the course of the show, someone was walking the aisle below throwing rolled fatties up to the lawn areas-and very good quality.
They opened with Jack Straw(which i had called an hour earlier-lucky guess)then went into USBlues. Good warmup music. Then they got into Masons Children that even Cliff would have loved...well played, with some incredible jamming - the boys were on the way, and the train was rollin!!
They sounded much better & tighter than 2004 when I last saw them (6/26). I heard some incredible intricate jamming thursday night, imo, the band was "on" and the crowd loved it! This is the best incarnation since Jerry died.
I did'nt even consider walking out early, the Dew was good, though no one can beat jerry's guitar cresendo's in that song. The Scarlet > FOTM, excellent with a laid back looping Deal, which built up to a fine climax, maybe setting a new course record on the number of last verse's, I'll have to check that out-haha.
The boys put on a fine well jammed show, it was an honor to see them together, perhaps for the last time, playing so well! Well worth the $41 I paid.

Highlights: Masons Children, SOTM >> SOTM, the whole second set, Drumz was a visual TRIP with the firedancers, not sure, but i think Molo joined in with the Rhythm Devils...someone here missed a top ten China>IKYR, as good as I've ever heard(without Jerry). And the grate encore.

The show is seeding at bt.etree.org, hope it shows up here.



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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: May 16, 2009 6:22am
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Hey Rasta, sounds like a well spent 41 bucks to me. Glad the show was good. I'm kinda hopin' that the Dead don't hang it up after this go round. Like Bobby hinted in the Nassau Vid at Dead.net they best way to stay good may be to keep touring.

http://www.dead.net/video09/

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Poster: rastamon Date: May 16, 2009 6:40am
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it felt like home. Even the redhead usher lady with all the beads...i swear I've seen her for 2 decades there.
There is NOTHING like the ambiance of a good Dead show!
I failed to mention the keyboards *WOW!*

though beer prices sucked, $10-12....for, i think, a 20oz cup-
I did buy a Fat Tire Ale, he filled it to THE brim, no foam. Had to drink a bit on the counter(from the cup-haha)to even pick it up. One guy was whinning about the extra $6 charge-included on the ticket-for parking. Muttering something about class-action lawsuit...think he left during MorningDew.

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Poster: BVD Date: May 16, 2009 9:30am
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I was on the lawn with my 11 yr.old son. People kept asking if he was my grandson. NO!! I was 44 when he came along. Anyway we had a great time. Paid 50 bucks a ticket and it was worth every penny. I been seein' these guys a long time and was thrilled to be able to pass the torch. He actually recognized US Blues before I did! The sound at Shoreline is perfect. I saw The Dead there in like 92 or 93 and it was an off nite for them but the sound blew me away. To hear New Potato>Born Cross Eyed was worth the price of admission. SOTM>Terrapin>SOTM they pulled it off beautifully. Hunter/Garcia wrote these songs for The Grateful Dead. These guys can play any fucking song they want!!.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: May 16, 2009 9:51am
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Glad you guys had fun!!

Yeah that guy Jeff sure can play, not overpowering when I saw them at Nassau but knew exactly when and where to crank it a little and shine - he is a fantastic part of this line up.

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Poster: barongsong Date: May 16, 2009 12:24pm
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I agree of the stuff I've heard the most impressive for me has been JC. That said, I've enjoyed the music I've heard and think they should do whatever songs they want to. However I have not heard that x factor yet although I think it could be possible with this line up. My problem is that so far I haven't heard anything that seems to be going off the rails musically and is somehow pulled back from the brink like we used to hear. Where is the danger? I guess what I'm trying to get at is that what I've heard so far is really nice jamming but I'm still waiting for them to go Further into the music. I am however after hearing this stuff very hopeful they'll get there.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: May 17, 2009 6:08am
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Yeah, a few more tours and once Warren and Jeff start getting real comfy I think they would get closer to the boundaries.

I would definitely go see this lineup again.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: May 16, 2009 10:26am
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Rasta - I was waiting to hear how you liked it.... glad you thoroughly enjoyed it (as did I on 5/10). I definitely felt the energy/vibe and enjoyed fantastic musicianship all night. Let's hope it's not the last chance we get, eh?

Good luck at B to Breakers tomorrow - sounds like you are a ringleader, so should be a blast!

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Poster: rastamon Date: May 31, 2009 6:35am
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again, this year, first place in the Rasta division, twas a fine sunny day in the city!! I was rather slow, could only manage 10min/mi average. The 12K came to 1:14:35 (the watch stops during my brief rasta breakz)

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Poster: mreyus Date: May 17, 2009 4:20pm
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this is just a money makin machine.

St. Jerry is cryin his heroin laced eyes out